Battle Hero time limit

[SupaHotFire]

So, a few days ago (I forget the battle) I was attempting to lay my usual 175 daily kills it was about 45-50min into the battle just about 51% favoring allies and I reach first place in the top 5 battle damage and about 2 hours later the previous first place holder claims I sniped him. Now when I think of sniping I think of it either 1h 30m and up mainly because, by that time it's pretty hard and pointless to try for a bh also unfair to the previous holder to regain spot,or you see someone who's put a pretty large amount of damage for your division. For example, in d2 anyone with 15mil and up is a pretty decent amount and leave them be unless it's still under an hour or I still see them hitting. Anyways, my point and question is when and what is respectable among you lot on a BH? And what is considered sniping?

[Deepchill]

That was not sniping, far from it. Allied was up by 51% only, that is a reason to tank (not to mention 2hrs away).

To me sniping to hitting to get someone's BH not long before the end in a useless (already won or lost by 60% or so) battle.

MOVING THE WALL IF IT'S CLOSE IS NOT SNIPING.

[Pfeiffer]

If you do more damage, you win.

If I do more damage, I win.

The rest doesn't matter.

[Franklin Stone]

That was not sniping, far from it. Allied was up by 51% only, that is a reason to tank (not to mention 2hrs away).

To me sniping to hitting to get someone's BH not long before the end in a useless (already won or lost by 60% or so) battle.

MOVING THE WALL IF IT'S CLOSE IS NOT SNIPING.

I agree with this...

If you do more damage, you win.

If I do more damage, I win.

The rest doesn't matter.

I do not agree with this at all, especially if the BH in question is being won by a soldier that is an Easy member; it's called loyalty to your military unit and your comrades.

[RaccoonGoon]

I don't have a strict definition of sniping, nor do I really think it's a bad thing, as it's something that is maintained and encouraged by game mechanics.

I think my view is close to Deepchill's. If the battle is not secure, and you're doing damage that may be necessary to win the battle, that's not sniping. That's playing to win. If the other guy wanted to win the battle as much as you did, it wouldn't have been an issue.

The thing I don't like is damage waste. There's no reason to put damage in a secure battle for a BH. Maybe it's just because I've never been one to care for medals, gold, and shiny things, but I'd rather drop damage somewhere it counts if I'm going to click the button at all. When you're dropping damage late in a clearly secure battle just for a BH, that's when you're getting close to sniping.

Even so, I don't think sniping is really that bad. (It's part of game mechanics, and to act like it's something terrible is just handicapping yourself against others who might not hold the same browser game morals as you do, so it's not worth throwing a hissy fit over.)

That said, it's common decency to not be a douche to people who don't deserve it, so I'd frown on sniping people for no reason or those who are on the same team as you, since we're all here to have fun together, and sniping is each other is counterproductive to that goal.

tl;dr: Blah blah sniping blah blah... Don't be a douche.

[Napalm Norm]

If you do more damage, you win.

If I do more damage, I win.

The rest doesn't matter.

QFT. Drop whatever you feel is necessary to get it. Last week when there was the 10x BH bonus I dropped 75 mil or so in a D3 battle pushing the wall to 65% or so and still ended up losing that battle. The guy who I "took" it from sat at 40 mil and stopped fighting when he saw I wasn't going to stop.

[Franklin Stone]

If you do more damage, you win.

If I do more damage, I win.

The rest doesn't matter.

QFT.  Drop whatever  you feel is necessary to get it.  Last week when there was the 10x BH bonus I dropped 75 mil or so in a D3 battle pushing the wall to 65% or so and still ended up losing that battle.  The guy who I "took" it from sat at 40 mil and stopped fighting when he saw I wasn't going to stop.

That is not sniping, you simply out fought the guy. One type of sniping is waiting till 1500 points or later in a battle that is being overwhelmingly won and wasting not only the current BH leaders damage, but you own as well simply for the medal on your wall -oh and the gold. Now if that BH leader is from the other side then I say have at him....

[Kortanul]

It's only stealing if you dump large amounts of damage beyond what's necessary to win a battle, especially if the wall's 60% or more in our favor at 1 hour. Before the one hour mark on a battle in our favor, I don't care if someone dropped 10M, 25M, or 40M, if I want the BH I'll take it, because there's more than enough time for someone that cares to fight for it.

After around 1500 points on a battle and you're not just trying to flip the wall? That's definitely sniping unless you've been fighting each other for the BH already. If they left a gap less than 5M in D2, that's nothing and still not sniping.

Unless it's EZC, I don't give a damn about upsetting people or hurting feelings though. I won't snipe respected Albanian fighters, and I won't snipe anyone from USAF that I respect, but beyond that? EZC is the only safe group. As long as you don't come in and swipe a BH from a fellow EZC fighter, there's no issue.

If challenging an EZC fighter for their BH, do it before the battle is surely won. Drop them a PM for warning and ping them on IRC if present, if you're polite ask for their consent. If not, always at least make sure you're not causing excessive waste, compare their damage to their strength to check how many FF's they've burned, and if you feel you may be crossing the line by fighting, you probably are. Don't. If you get noted for sniping fellow EZC fighters, your time here is limited.

[Deepchill]

It's only stealing if you dump large amounts of damage beyond what's necessary to win a battle, especially if the wall's 60% or more in our favor at 1 hour. Before the one hour mark on a battle in our favor, I don't care if someone dropped 10M, 25M, or 40M, if I want the BH I'll take it, because there's more than enough time for someone that cares to fight for it.

After around 1500 points on a battle and you're not just trying to flip the wall? That's definitely sniping unless you've been fighting each other for the BH already. If they left a gap less than 5M in D2, that's nothing and still not sniping.

Unless it's EZC, I don't give a damn about upsetting people or hurting feelings though. I won't snipe respected Albanian fighters, and I won't snipe anyone from USAF that I respect, but beyond that? EZC is the only safe group. As long as you don't come in and swipe a BH from a fellow EZC fighter, there's no issue.

If challenging an EZC fighter for their BH, do it before the battle is surely won. Drop them a PM for warning and ping them on IRC if present, if you're polite ask for their consent. If not, always at least make sure you're not causing excessive waste, compare their damage to their strength to check how many FF's they've burned, and if you feel you may be crossing the line by fighting, you probably are. Don't. If you get noted for sniping fellow EZC fighters, your time here is limited.

  

[Franklin Stone]

It's only stealing if you dump large amounts of damage beyond what's necessary to win a battle, especially if the wall's 60% or more in our favor at 1 hour. Before the one hour mark on a battle in our favor, I don't care if someone dropped 10M, 25M, or 40M, if I want the BH I'll take it, because there's more than enough time for someone that cares to fight for it.

After around 1500 points on a battle and you're not just trying to flip the wall? That's definitely sniping unless you've been fighting each other for the BH already. If they left a gap less than 5M in D2, that's nothing and still not sniping.

Unless it's EZC, I don't give a damn about upsetting people or hurting feelings though. I won't snipe respected Albanian fighters, and I won't snipe anyone from USAF that I respect, but beyond that? EZC is the only safe group. As long as you don't come in and swipe a BH from a fellow EZC fighter, there's no issue.

If challenging an EZC fighter for their BH, do it before the battle is surely won. Drop them a PM for warning and ping them on IRC if present, if you're polite ask for their consent. If not, always at least make sure you're not causing excessive waste, compare their damage to their strength to check how many FF's they've burned, and if you feel you may be crossing the line by fighting, you probably are. Don't. If you get noted for sniping fellow EZC fighters, your time here is limited.

  

Ditto and very well said....

[Pfeiffer]

I get not taking a medal from someone you like, but people need to stop crying about medals. Either you're strong enough to take it, or you aren't. End of story.

[George S. Patton Jr]

You can't lay claim to a BH if I have more damage and I want to spend it to get the Top spot is what it comes down to.

I can't tell you how many BH I would have if I didn't have someone ''snipe'' me. People used to snipe political elections. I would argue sniping did more for this game then getting butt hurt and complaining about something that cannot be regulated, nor should be.

[Franklin Stone]

No one is saying you can't, it is obvious that you can and will; all I am saying is that if you want to encourage young citizens what is the harm in letting them have a few -especially if you are a soldier to whom the gold is meaningless.

Think of it as a good turn for America by building a strong confident soldier. All it takes is open communications with the other guy. At the very least there should be this kind of honor among soldiers of the same MU, not just among Easy soldiers.

[Deepchill]

Same here, not saying you can't snipe, just saying at least don't do it to other EZC members.

[MaestroAkel]

well it is not about who is stronger to get it. It is about not wasting damage when the battle is already won,lost or an unimportant one. In this case its awkward to take it from a teammate that already has been there on top before you came in.

You can compete other MU members as long as they are not you friends or you MU members (an unwritten code)

[ischelle]

If it's someone I respect or a comrade I won't snipe, but if it's some 50k d1 strength dude with 600 BH medals that is randomly overkilling a battle - I'll snipe it.

And what about a scenario where the person that has the most damage was actually(succesfully) sniping it from someone else? Player A did certain damage and the wall is overkill at this point, Player B decided to snipe because he wants the gold and does so - but the battle isn't over. I don't mind being player C that'll snipe away from the sniper.

[Gnilraps]

I agree with most of Kortanul's post upthread.

I don't think twice about sniping from a player from an enemy nation. I generally won't snipe from an ally, though I've done it. If I am sniping from an ally it's usually in a TP battle and I am laying down damage for Gold anyway so people just better put up or shut up.

I never ever ever snipe from a fellow EZC.

[ischelle]

I agree with most of Kortanul's post upthread.

I don't think twice about sniping from a player from an enemy nation. I generally won't snipe from an ally, though I've done it. If I am sniping from an ally it's usually in a TP battle and I am laying down damage for Gold anyway so people just better put up or shut up.

I never ever ever snipe from a fellow EZC.

Good guy Gnilraps. *~*

[Jasher]

It is hard to snipe or not get sniped by some people they can lay damage down faster then you can... must be they have the new battle field or something.

[Franklin Stone]

We all know what sniping is and we all know what being honorable is, Civil Anarchy released The Eternal Debate: Retention Isn't Everything in which he discusses recruitment of new citizens; while I agree that the only way to save eRepublik is attracting new citizens -keeping them here and playing goes hand in hand with recruitment.

America can attract new citizens all day every day, but once they get here if the 'meta government' or 'old citizens' use and abuse them like 'cannon fodder' they won't be staying long; having a BH sniped is depressing as hell for a new citizen trying for his first one and that is why I just don't understand someone with 200+ BH medals on their wall wanting to snipe another one.

[Kortanul]

When I was new, I was impressed by the huge numbers, but didn't expect to rake in any medals. I was proud every time I saw my damage done with 25 kills climbed another 100k, then when it hit 1M, then I was excited about getting 5M down. No matter what, no new player is going to get BH's without a lot of wasted EB's and bombs. Especially now. It's not my concern to baby them and pass up cheap BH's if some little tot who rushed into D2 thinks they have hope with 3M after 200 kills.

[Franklin Stone]

When I was new, I was impressed by the huge numbers, but didn't expect to rake in any medals. I was proud every time I saw my damage done with 25 kills climbed another 100k, then when it hit 1M, then I was excited about getting 5M down. No matter what, no new player is going to get BH's without a lot of wasted EB's and bombs. Especially now. It's not my concern to baby them and pass up cheap BH's if some little tot who rushed into D2 thinks they have hope with 3M after 200 kills.

So helping to keep a new citizen interested in playing the game would not be beneficial, therefore for the sake of another 'cheap' BH on your wall -and the gold-  you're willing to help drive away a new citizen; instead of trying to aid a new citizen in maybe gaining their first BH and retaining them as a citizen. Sniping is a case by case thing, IMO you should do the honorable thing when considering sniping a BH; what is honorable ofc is up to each citizen.

[Pfeiffer]

I laugh when you talk about honor, CHS. This is a browser game. Unless you've given your word to someone, honor doesn't come in to play at all. If a new person is going to quit because they didn't get a medal, then that isn't someone that's going to be taking part in the community anyway, they're just going to randomly click buttons.

[Kortanul]

They don't share the uniform, I owe them no loyalties as I don't know them, and I'd never expect someone to just hand over a BH.

When I was new and barely strong enough to hit top 5 in the old D1, letalone take a BH, I was perfectly okay with knowing I had a long ways to go. I was already a member of EZC and taking part in the community before my first two weeks was up.

If they want no part in the meta, then it's up to them to motivate themselves. Nothing we can do as players will make them stay if they choose to avoid us and the very thing that keeps the rest of us playing.

[Franklin Stone]

I laugh when you talk about honor, CHS. This is a browser game. Unless you've given your word to someone, honor doesn't come in to play at all. If a new person is going to quit because they didn't get a medal, then that isn't someone that's going to be taking part in the community anyway, they're just going to randomly click buttons.

You are correct, this is a 'social' browser game; being 'sociable' to a stranger is what it is all about. What keeps you here -apparently collecting medals- is not necessarily what will keep someone else here, maybe what keeps a citizen playing is your help in getting that very first BH. Doing something for America sometimes calls for sacrifice and not how much you will gain from helping a stranger, if you treat a stranger dishonorably why should I or anyone else trust your word at all, IMO action speaks louder than words.

They don't share the uniform, I owe them no loyalties as I don't know them, and I'd never expect someone to just hand over a BH.

When I was new and barely strong enough to hit top 5 in the old D1, letalone take a BH, I was perfectly okay with knowing I had a long ways to go. I was already a member of EZC and taking part in the community before my first two weeks was up.

If they want no part in the meta, then it's up to them to motivate themselves. Nothing we can do as players will make them stay if they choose to avoid us and the very thing that keeps the rest of us playing.

I would never want some one to hand me one either, however if we are considering a new American citizen in a battle which is well in hand and who isn't a member of my MU plus totally unknown to me; IMO opinion the honorable thing to do is try to help them win a medal -I find that more satisfying than adding to an already obese wall.

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