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Post by Gnilraps on Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:08 am

Since a few of you have asked for my thoughts on the new Housing industry, I will reprint one of my PM replies here as a thread. Feel free to disagree and discuss, but these are my opinions:

There are still a lot of variables that are not clear yet.

The first best wisdom is to NOT make any decisions based on today's market. It will take a day or so for the market to stabilize, then when the next company upgrade sale comes, we will see another spike as many will wait to upgrade their factories during an upgrade sale.

I believe that this will become the new bellweather for setting worker wages (the old bellweather was the Q7 weapon). So I expect that it will have an effect on the profitability of ALL companies. It may even make Q7's unprofitable.

I have bought a single Q1 housing company and a single Granite company. Remember, you cannot WAM these, so a single Granite company is enough to supply for even a Q3 Housing factory. It looks like in Q3 housing, each worker will "consume" 200 HRM. Meanwhile our WRM workers are producing 450 per worker. So to keep even a Q3 factory running smoothly, you will only need to assign 8 *edit* 4 RM workers (=1800 HRM) per 3 days (3x3 work tickets = 9x200 HRM consumed).

Of course your Q3 House will be "completed" on day 7 after 20 factory work tickets and 8.9 HRM tickets. So multiply your salaries by 28.9, add the VAT (currently sitting at 10% but who knows where Congress will set it?) and that will be the break-even point for Q3 houses.

Current market wage is about $50, but that is a spike. It should normalize down to about $40 I'd guess. So let's use that.

40x29=1160+VAT=1276

Q3 houses last 7 days. 1276/7 = 182.28

That will be the minimum cost per day for buying one of these things.

All of my numbers are conjecture based on assumptions about market conditions that are sure to change.

But if you will want to make money on this market, you will have to bank on people being willing to pay MORE than $183 per day for a +100 Energy Center. In terms of Gold, it's more expensive than training in the Shooting Center.

Let's also see what they do with Q4 and Q5. That will destroy the Q3 market.


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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Jahn Dusenbery on Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:21 am

Thanks for starting this string. I have 4 HRW factories ( cause i leaped before i looked ) but i am staying with a q1 housing factory, will wait for the upgrade sales, and so far it looks like the gold market has not jumped much yet either. Gonna stock up for the upgrade sale.
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Franklin Stone on Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:43 am

As an MFA Trainee, I think I will wait and see; my belief is it will all level out and these companies will be no more profitable than any other company. What needs to be added is a 'product buying bot' like the one that use to be around, every game in the world -except this one- buys products from the players; even in 'Farmville' you can sell your product.

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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Raw784 on Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:48 am

Whats about the raw material for houses ? ; do we need each type of them to built
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Jahn Dusenbery on Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:07 am

no do not need one of each type. its all the same as FRM, and WRM the more you spend the more you put out depending on the HRM plant. 35 gold one puts out the most.
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Vijalob on Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:13 am

And in the mean time, eUS lacks deer, iron, and sand. The erepublik wiki was out of date before housing raw material bonuses replaced WRM and FRM bonuses (Vermont, for instance, is listed in "Regions with Iron" on the wiki (except that the full list had been more accurate, argh) but aluminum in the game).
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Gnilraps on Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:01 am

DO NOT buy any HRM company except Granite. Since you cannot WAM them, you will not be able to sustain workers in the lesser HRM industries.

I repeat. ONLY buy Granite HRM.

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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Mitron1 on Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:57 pm

Gnilraps wrote:DO NOT buy any HRM company except Granite. Since you cannot WAM them, you will not be able to sustain workers in the lesser HRM industries.

I repeat. ONLY buy Granite HRM.

DO NOT buy any HRM company except Granite. Since you cannot WAM them, you will not be able to sustain workers in the lesser HRM industries.

I repeat. ONLY buy Granite HRM.


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Re: New Housing Market

Post by biaxident on Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:13 pm

I dont really understand the price hikes at q7 guns and q5 food - ie. the food I sell and the weapon I buy. While gold stays the same...

Wait and see... I'm one of those who are self sufficient and have some gold to spend but housing is risky to invest and tbh seems like not worth it... I dont really need a house of +100 in the first place so why should I try selling it to others
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Kortanul on Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:32 pm

WRM farming was only profitable for WaM because wages rarely fell below the margin. Q5 HRM should be profitable as an employed supplement to our WaMing WRM farms, but we'll see how the wages and value of HRM holds up.

FYI, at this moment, threshold for profit on HRM production should be around 67cc, so I'd round down to 65cc, though ideally 40-50cc should be the actual wage--assuming value of HRM does not decrease considerably.

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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Jasher on Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:37 pm

I bought 3 q1 and 3q2 when you work them you get 1 q1 house and 1 q2 house. Right now I am selling better money now then later, later market will be full of them.
I have 1 q1 house that I used for 30min active then I deactivated it used 1 hr (168 now 167) once it is used you can not sell it.
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by biaxident on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:47 pm

so people are really buying them??
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Jasher on Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:09 pm

biaxident wrote:so people are really buying them??

Yes! sold every one so far.

Prices are dropping all day nothing stable.

Wages have been dropping as the new is wearing off we might even hit normal wages by this weekend at this rate.
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Jasher on Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:40 am

Prices for houses are still dropping and will continue to drop.
Q1 house price at 04:37 game time is 265.00
Q2 house price at 04:37 game time is 755.00
Q3 house price at 04:37 game time is 2200.00 if i had some of these houses I would help drop those prices Smile
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by Gnilraps on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:56 am

In my opinion, you all should save your inventory of houses. Next time there is a big Tournament that encourages lots of involvement, the housing market will spike from late Monday night into Tuesday. That is where you will make your money on Houses.

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Post by Jasher on Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:42 pm

Gnilraps wrote:In my opinion, you all should save your inventory of houses. Next time there is a big Tournament that encourages lots of involvement, the housing market will spike from late Monday night into Tuesday. That is where you will make your money on Houses.

I strongly agree with you once we have the house that do both storage and recover health. But these q1,q2,q3 can add 100 or 50 to a night or day once tanked off just deactivate and wait till next time, 168 hrs on a q1 is a long time. So yes save one or two but remember you can only use one at a time.
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Re: New Housing Market

Post by jkeller4000 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:44 pm

what are your thoughts on the housing markets now?
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Post by Jasher on Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:01 pm

Q1 is a waste, q2 is a better buy just because of the longer length of time but otherwise a waste, q3 is the best we have right now.
The problem with the three we have now is you can not use a +50 with a +100 as we could with the ones we got from the weekly challenge so a big zap on energy to those that use it all.
You can stack the same +50 with a +50 or +100 with a +100 but it only gives more hours not the extra storage we would want.
Making money with them on the market is not possible right now and most likely never. I only build them now just to use them, this is very expense where cost for labor is $540 plus the cost of HRM to build one Q3 and last 168hrs then is gone.
These cost are escalated because of the fact you can not work them you have to have employees.
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